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Oregon musicians on why they perform in tribute bands

 From Journey and the Grateful Dead, to The Strokes and Depeche Mode, Oregon has no shortage of tribute bands. But why perform the music of another artist? 

 

Adam Corkery is a guitarist and vocalist for Brown Stallion, a Ween tribute band based in Eugene and Portland. Renée Muzquiz is the lead vocalist and guitarist for Major Tomboys, an all-femme David Bowie tribute based in Portland. She also represents Linda Ronstadt in Stone Phoneys, a tribute to Ronstadt, Dolly Parton and Emmylou Harris.

 

They both join us to talk about the joys of performing familiar songs for die-hard fans.

 

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Jul 22, 2026 1:19 PM
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Ladies Up Project announces expansion of community art program

Whether you like it or not, street art is a defining component of a city. However, street art has historically been a male-dominated field, which inspired the Portland Street Art Alliance’s Ladies Up Project. With allocated space and canvases, Ladies Up is rooted in empowering the creative expression of female street artists. We’ll hear from Executive Director Tiffany Conklin and artist Kyra Watkins about the program’s impact and recent expansion.

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Jul 22, 2026 1:18 PM
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BLM rule changes to allow more cattle grazing on public lands in Oregon and the West

The Trump administration is rewriting Bureau of Land Management rules to increase the number of cattle and other livestock that can graze on public lands. The rules affect 155 million acres in the West, an area more than two-and-a-half times the size of Oregon. 

 

The BLM says the proposal “reflects the Trump administration’s priority to reduce unnecessary regulatory burdens, promote productive working lands and strengthen local economies.” But environmental groups have raised concerns about the effect loosening these rules would have on wildlife. And Native American tribes that manage bison anticipate impacts on their herds as well. The public comment period on the proposal closed last week.

 

We talk with Mark Olalde, reporter for High Country News and Propublica, about the plan and how it would affect ranching as well as wildlife and Indigenous tribes.

 

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Jul 22, 2026 1:10 PM
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Citizen-scientists photograph 50 years of melting glaciers

For 52 years, citizen-scientists have documented Mt. Shasta’s melting glaciers as the planet warms from climate change. They’ve taken a series of photographs over decades that shows these glaciers shrinking.

 

These citizen-scientists say they’re hoping to reduce “environmental amnesia” by presenting this visual evidence of climate change.

 

Washington journalist and author of “The Earth Said Remember Me,” Jason Dove Mark, joins us to discuss his experience on Mt. Shasta, and its broader implications.

 

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Jul 21, 2026 1:14 PM
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First-in-the-nation program in WA state now providing long-term care benefits

An estimated 56% of people turning 65 will need long-term care in their lifetime, according to the AARP. On average, much of the care is done by unpaid caregivers and friends helping with day-to-day activities. But a program in Washington is designed to help provide seniors to get the care they need.

 

WA Cares Fund is the first state-run program for long-term care insurance. It is funded by a mandatory surcharge on payroll taxes in Washington state. After contributing for 10 years, Washington residents qualify for benefits, which could be used for various services including: home care, transportation, adult day programs, home modifications and compensation for family caretakers.

 

Paula Span writes the New Old Age column for the New York Times and KFF News and wrote about this program, which started offering benefits this month. She joins us to share more on why this program is needed and the impact it could have.

 

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Jul 21, 2026 1:14 PM
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UW study shows ‘roadless rule’ helps protect drinking water for 25 million people in US

For more than 25 years, the Roadless Area Conservation Rule has helped protect nearly 60 million acres of federal forest lands from logging and road construction. Last year, the Trump administration announced it would end “the roadless rule,” which it claims would allow for “more flexibility” to reduce wildfire risk and for “responsible timber production.” Senate Republicans attached an amendment to the Wildfire Prevention Act last month to repeal the roadless rule that passed out of committee on party lines.  

 

But building new roads to boost timber logging in national forest lands could imperil the quality of drinking water for at least 25 million residents across the U.S., according to a new University of Washington study. That includes residents of Portland, Hood River and other communities who get their drinking water from watersheds in the Mt. Hood National Forest.

 

The study also found other potential harms from rescinding the roadless rule, including to biodiversity and habitats for species like salmon that spawn in Alaska’s Tongass National Forest and other national forests in the Pacific Northwest. Hunting, fishing and other recreation activities could also be at risk from development of wilderness areas currently protected by the roadless rule. 

 

Michael Dombeck is a co-author of the study and a Professor Emeritus at the University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point. As chief of the U.S. Forest Service from 1997 to 2001, Dombeck helped create the roadless rule and implement it under President Bill Clinton. He joins us for more details.

 

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Jul 21, 2026 1:14 PM
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Oregon wildfire season begins in earnest

 According to the Oregon Department of Emergency Management, wildfires have burned more than 300,000 across the state so far. Fire officials say that lightning strikes last week ignited dozens of fires which were fueled by dry vegetation, hot weather and windy conditions. An estimated 1,500 Oregonians are under Level 3 — GO NOW! — evacuation orders.

 

Oregon State Fire Marshal Mariana Ruiz-Temple joins us with an update on the status of the fires and how agencies are responding.

 

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Jul 21, 2026 1:14 PM
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One Yakima Valley farmworker’s decision to return home amid immigration crackdown

Earlier this year, Flor Sánchez made the agonizing decision to leave her husband and 6-year-old son behind, and self-deported to Sinaloa, Mexico amid the Trump Administration’s immigration crackdown. As immigration enforcement activity spread earlier this year into Central Washington, where Sánchez worked in the fruit orchards, she made the choice to depart Sunnyside, Washington and leave the U.S. with her eldest son. Her story is part of a larger trend of immigrant workers making the choice to leave the U.S. due to immigration enforcement. 

 

Daisy Zavala Magaña and Hal Bernton covered Sánchez’s story for Range, and they join us to discuss their reporting.

 

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Jul 20, 2026 1:7 PM
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Portland OB-GYN explores new memoir ‘Labor’ and starting mobile women’s health clinic

Mary Fariba Afsari is an OB-GYN based in Portland, and she’s the author of a new memoir, called "Labor: One Woman’s Work." She tells the story of her practice, and how she came to turn a 31-foot-RV into a mobile women's health clinic. She also weaves her personal narrative with the story of her grandmother in Iran, who died as a young woman from a lack of reproductive healthcare. We'll talk with Afsari about the book and her work.

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Jul 20, 2026 1:0 PM
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Rebroadcast: Portland painter Arvie Smith on his Guggenheim Fellowship work

Portland artist Arvie Smith is known for colorful, larger-than-life oil paintings that explore oppression and injustice against Black Americans through symbolism and visual tropes. He’s also a professor emeritus at Pacific Northwest College of Art after a 35-year tenure. His murals can be seen on buildings in North Portland and at the Donald E. Long Juvenile Center, where he spent time teaching art to incarcerated youth.
Despite being in his mid-80s, Smith is far from retired — just last year, he received a prestigious Guggenheim Fellowship. The work he created during that fellowship is currently on display in Chicago. Titled “Crossing Clear Creek,” the exhibit explores Smith’s childhood memories and experience of race in rural Texas and Los Angeles. We spoke with Smith in March 2025 about his life and work.

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Jul 17, 2026 1:0 PM
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Rebroadcast: Hanford-area native and former Washington Poet Laureate on how the ‘Atomic City’ shaped her life

Seattle poet Kathleen Flenniken grew up in Richland and worked as a civil engineer at Hanford in the 1980s. She served as Washington State Poet Laureate from 2012-2014. In her first year as poet laureate, she published a collection called Plume, which deals directly with how her Hanford area upbringing influenced her.  The book explores the history of the site, the death of her best friend's father from a radiation illness, and her childhood in "Atomic City.” Flenniken sits down with us from the campus of Washington State University Tri-Cities.

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Jul 17, 2026 1:0 PM
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Warm Springs seat on the Jefferson County Soil & Water Conservation District board filled for the first time in decades

The Jefferson County Soil & Water Conservation District helps manage irrigation, soil erosion, water quality and other factors that impact the health of the county’s watersheds. It’s supposed to be overseen by a seven-member board, but until recently, one seat had remained vacant for more than 30 years.   

 

Alysia Klick’ump was recently appointed to the board as an associate director for Zone 1, which covers the Warm Springs reservation. She joins us to talk about her role and the perspective she adds to the board as a member of the Confederated Tribes of the Warm Springs and fly fishing guide.

 

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Jul 16, 2026 1:43 PM
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Licensing fees could double for Oregon’s psilocybin service centers and facilitators

The Oregon Health Authority is considering doubling license fees for the state’s psilocybin service providers. The draft rules would also eliminate discounts for nonprofit service centers and facilitators who are veterans or qualify as low-income. A third of Oregon’s psilocybin service centers have already closed since OHA began issuing licenses in 2023.

 

Cathy Jonas, the founder and CEO of EPIC Healing Eugene, joins us to share what the proposed changes could mean for her center. We’ll also check in with Angie Allbee, manager of the Psilocybin Services Section at OHA, about the future of Oregon’s first-in-the-nation program.

 

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Jul 16, 2026 1:43 PM
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Astoria City Council’s new camping proposal goes into effect at the same time it's downtown shelter may close
People experiencing homelessness in Astoria will have to abide by new camping codes going into effect Wednesday, July 15. The changes to the camping codes make it illegal for people to camp knowingly on public property if they have access to “reasonable shelter,” which will be determined on a case-by-case basis. The code also provides exemptions depending on someone’s circumstances.

At the same time, Clatsop County budget and funding formula changes  mean one of the city’s low-barrier shelters, LiFEBoat, will be seeing major cuts that could lead to a reduction in services and even closure. Osarch Orak is the executive director of the shelter. He joins us to share more on what these camping code changes mean for the nonprofit and the people they serve.
 
 
 
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Jul 15, 2026 1:17 PM
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Multnomah County Sheriff’s office still using solitary confinement too often, says auditor’s report

 In 2022, the Multnomah county auditor looked into the jails run by the county sheriff’s office. The audit found that adults in custody who were Black or had mental health conditions were disciplined and put in isolation or solitary confinement more often. That audit made several recommendations, but a new report says the sheriff’s office has not implemented the recommendations related to the use of solitary confinement. While the sheriff’s office did not include a response to this report, a public information officer told OPB that their operations were grounded in best practices, and that the auditor’s office refused their request to meet before the report was released. The sheriff’s office also said that “a decision to not adopt a specific recommendation does not diminish our commitment to providing exemplary public safety services.”

 

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Jul 15, 2026 1:17 PM
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What’s the latest on Moda Center funding?

A Moda Center deal is in the works, and the Portland City Council will vote in just a few weeks to decide if it will spend public money on a renovation. But details are hazy about where exactly the funding would come from.

 

Mayor Keith Wilson and city councilors have suggested they’ll draw upon city revenue streams such as the Portland Clean Energy Fund and a fund within Prosper Portland, the city’s urban development agency. But the boards that govern those sets of funding would first have to determine if their revenue can be spent on the arena.

 

It’s just the latest in a long saga that has involved negotiations between the Trail Blazers and city officials to keep the team in Portland and meet demands for renovations.

 

Alex Zielinski covers Portland politics for OPB. She joins us to break down the latest  updates.

 

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Jul 15, 2026 1:17 PM
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Columbia Riverkeeper and other groups sue Trump administration to prevent weakening Endangered Species Act

On Tuesday, Columbia Riverkeeper joined a coalition of environmental groups that sued the Trump administration over a rule change that would undo protections under the Endangered Species Act for endangered and threatened species of animals like Columbia River salmon, steelhead and northern spotted owls. Other environmental groups and tribes have also filed separate lawsuits over the rule change, including the Swinomish and Squaxin Island Tribes in Washington state and Eugene-based Cascadia Wildlands.

 

The rule change, which is scheduled to take effect in September, removes the regulatory definition of “harm” under the ESA that for more than 50 years has been interpreted to include harm to endangered species’ habitats. That interpretation was affirmed by the Supreme Court in a 1995 decision. U.S. Department of Interior Secretary Doug Burgum said in a press release the rule change “restores common sense, respects private property, provides much-needed certainty for landowners and follows the statute Congress actually passed.”

 

Miles Johnson, legal director of Columbia Riverkeeper, joins us for more details. 

 

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Jul 15, 2026 1:17 PM
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iLoveMakonnen headlines his first Portland Pride weekend concert

For most artists, Portland isn’t the place to relocate amid the heights of their career.

But for iLoveMakonnen, relocating to Portland from Atlanta offered a space away from the pressure and attention of the music industry, and the opportunity to explore himself.

Makonnen joins us to share more about his upcoming performance at the Pride in Demand Queer Takeover and what has kept him in Portland nearly 10 years later.

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Jul 14, 2026 1:17 PM
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Oregon’s school funding formula hurts kids in poverty the most, according to Oregonian reporting

Oregon school districts rely on the state for funds they need to educate students in their schools, but some educators and advocates say the formula they use to allocate those funds is outdated and inequitable. In-depth reporting by The Oregonian/OregonLive describes the way that students in poverty are undercounted, their schools underfunded and details how the resulting cuts are affecting some of the most vulnerable children in the state. 

 

Education reporter Julia Silverman spent time with a student, a teacher, a principal and an attendance specialist in the Reynold’s school district in east Multnomah county. The district serves the highest percentage of low-income students in the Portland area. Silverman joins us to share more about her reporting and the possibility of state lawmakers reforming or overhauling the funding formula.

 

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Jul 14, 2026 1:17 PM
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Washington voters to decide candidates for 4 seats on state supreme court, with vote on 5th seat in November

July 17 is the deadline for Washington counties to mail out ballots to voters. And it’s the first day voters can submit ballots. In the state’s top two primary, an unusual number of state supreme court judicial candidates appear on the ballot. And five of the nine seats will be decided in November. We talk with Sarah Mizes-Tan, state government reporter for KUOW and KNKX, about this unusual turn of events and other notable primary races.

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Jul 14, 2026 1:16 PM
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OSU study explores how wildfire smoke affects songbird behavior

Despite wildfires becoming more frequent and intense, little is known about how wildlife responds to the threats they present. Researchers at Oregon State University are attempting to shed some light on the issue. 

 

A recent study looked at how wildfire smoke affected the behavior of robins. Instead of simply fleeing the smoky conditions, the birds often reduced their activity and shortened their flight distances to remain in their home environments.

 

Jamie Cornelius is an associate professor in the department of integrative biology at OSU and principal investigator of the university’s Little Bird Lab. She joins us to talk about what scientists are learning about how different wildlife species respond to wildfire.

 

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Jul 13, 2026 1:12 PM
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Portland Police Chief Bob Day on police response times and budget numbers

A new report found that Portland Police Bureau response times for high-priority calls is on average more than 20 minutes. And as reported in Willamette Week, some neighborhoods in Portland can wait as much as 40 minutes. The reports of these delays come as a  new city budget is adopted that will lead to cuts to public safety. A PPA-backed proposed measure aims to direct Portland Clean Energy Fund dollars to the bureau. Portland Police Chief Bob Day joins us to share more on response times and the new budget.

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Jul 13, 2026 1:12 PM
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Oregon Secretary of State on USPS and Trump administration’s impact on elections

Oregon Secretary of State Tobias Read recently called for the United States Postal Service to look at its policies around mail pick up on Election Day, after officials in Benton county found some voters’ ballots were left in mailboxes. The postal service has said they prioritize package delivery when staffing is short.

 

Read has also pushed back against the Trump administration’s threats to elections officials in all 50 states and D.C.

 

President Donald Trump has repeatedly attacked vote-by-mail with false statements and is pressuring Congress to pass his “Save America Act” in an effort to exert federal control over state elections in a variety of ways. 

We talk with Secretary Read about federal interference in Oregon elections and the security of elections in this state.

 

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Jul 13, 2026 1:11 PM
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In Woodburn, the World Cup and has a lasting significance

When ESPN feature writer Roberto Jose Andrade Franco spent two weeks in Woodburn, Oregon, he met and spoke with a host of community members, from business owners to coaches to artists. Those conversations informed a new piece Franco wrote about the ways the community came alive and together during the World Cup.

 

Franco joins us to discuss his reporting and what he found during his time in Woodburn.

 

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Jul 10, 2026 1:27 PM
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In Oregon’s coastal communities, doulas and volunteers are reimagining end-of-life care

In Oregon’s rural, coastal communities, volunteers are coming together to reimagine what end of life care can look like for aging residents outside of medical settings.

 

Three years ago, Margo Lalich co-founded the North Coast End of Life Collective. She’s a nurse and public health professional who says the COVID-19 pandemic was a “wake-up call” that helped her identify a lack of intentional, communal grieving and gaps in infrastructure surrounding end-of-life care in rural areas. She began hosting educational workshops via Zoom for people who wanted to learn more and be involved in facilitating end-of-life conversations and initiatives for their communities’ aging residents. One of the attendees was Kevin Shluka, a sculptor and landscaper located in Tillamook County who’s been volunteering in community hospice since 2024.

 

We’ll hear more from Lalich and Shluka about the role the End of Life Collective has filled in these coastal communities, and more on what it looks like to facilitate this unique model of care.

 

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Jul 10, 2026 1:26 PM
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