Is Cereal Soup?, the FG Scale, and JS vs CSS with Adam Argyle

This week, Robbie and Chuck talk with Adam Argyle about the quirks of CSS and JavaScript tooling, and modern web development. They discuss why JavaScript often takes center stage over CSS, the funding disparities between them, and what this means for developers.

In this episode:

• (00:00) - Intro
• (02:32) - Whiskey review: Standard Spirit Wormwood Rye
• (07:54) - Social media and Blue Sky
• (09:39) - Is cereal soup?
• (11:15) - The Hot Dog and sandwich debate
• (17:55) - JavaScript library guilty pleasures
• (25:40) - CSS vs. JavaScript tooling
• (34:52) - How Tailwind is funded
• (35:58) - Politics in business
• (41:36) - Shotgun debugging and pair programming
• (47:46) - What is the FG scale?
• (49:51) - Robbie’s big Tailwind “FG”
• (51:16) - CSS carousel
• (57:08) - The complexity of CSS and HTML
• (01:07:15) - The importance of accessibility
• (01:08:54) - The problem with AI in CSS
• (01:09:54) - Plugs

• Fresca Mixed: https://www.frescamixed.com/
• Bootstrap: https://getbootstrap.com/
• Standard Spirit Wormwood Rye: https://www.standardwormwood.com/
• Blue Sky: https://bsky.app/
• Gray Sky: https://graysky.app/
• Lodash: https://lodash.com/
• ES6: https://www.w3schools.com/js/js_es6.asp
• Monty Python and the Holy Grail: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python_and_the_Holy_Grail
• Hot Ones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Ones
• Manchester Orchestra: https://www.manchesterorchestra.com/
• Typescript: https://www.typescriptlang.org/
• Raspberry Pi: https://www.raspberrypi.com/
• Honeybadger: https://www.honeybadger.io/
• Tailwind CSS: https://tailwindcss.com/
• Next.js: https://nextjs.org/
• PHP: https://www.php.net/
• Astro: https://astro.build/
• Jason Fried: https://x.com/jasonfried?
• DHH: https://x.com/dhh/
• Vercel: https://vercel.com/
• Donald Trump: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump
• Joe Rogan: https://x.com/joerogan
• Bernie Sanders: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders
• JD Vance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JD_Vance
• Taco Bell: https://www.tacobell.com/
• Panic Playdate: https://play.date/
• Nintendo Switch: https://www.nintendo.com/us/switch/
• Changelog: Wine Web and a whole lot of Whatnot: https://changelog.com/friends/68
• Ken Wheeler: https://x.com/ken_wheeler/
• WAI-ARIA: https://www.w3.org/WAI/standards-guidelines/aria/
• Project Wallace: https://www.projectwallace.com/
• Syntax: https://syntax.fm
• Gemini: https://gemini.google.com/
• Product Hunt: https://www.producthunt.com/

• Website: https://nerdy.dev
• X / Twitter: https://x.com/argyleink
• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@adamargyleink

• Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner
• Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd

• Website: https://whiskey.fm
• Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603
• Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf
• Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603
• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot

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Veteran web developers RobbieTheWagner, Charles William Carpenter III, and Adam Argyle host this informal, whiskey-fueled fireside chat with your favorite web devs. They discuss all things web development including JavaScript, TypeScript, EmberJS, React, Astro, SolidJS, CSS, HTML, Web3, and more. They take a unique approach and focus on getting to know the human side of developers and their hobbies outside of work, all while sampling a new whiskey that they rate on their unique tentacle scale.