Published on Oct 6, 2026, 6:00:00 AM
Total time: 01:05:02
What if Old Testament laws aren’t outdated rules to follow, but a deep, tangible story we are invited to practice?
In this episode of Thinking Christian, host James Spencer is joined once again by Rebecca Josberger and Renee Duffy from the Bible Unbranded podcast to tackle one of the most debated topics in biblical study: how to interpret Old Testament law through a theological framework.
Using the command of the Sabbath as their core anchor, the team unpacks how the ancient laws in Deuteronomy and Exodus are designed to reveal the incomparable character of God rather than construct a human utopia. Together, they build essential "theological guardrails" to avoid the common trap of "time snobbery"—the evolutionary fallacy that modern believers have simply moved past ancient struggles.
From navigating the tension of Christological readings to contrasting the "shadow and substance" themes in the Book of Hebrews, this conversation offers deep theological exploration paired with a refreshing framework for how the church can embody sacred order in a chaotic social landscape today.
You can hear more from Dr. Spencer at https://www.thinkingchristian.org/ .
Hosts Becky Josberger and Renee Duffy are passionate about the Old Testament and committed to helping others read it for themselves. Shaped by their life and work in Portland, they approach the Old Testament with care, compassion, and courage—cutting through clichés and church baggage to help listeners see the text with fresh eyes. Scholars, teachers, and friends, Becky brings creative energy and sharp insight, and Renee adds grounding clarity and thoughtful engagement. Their conversations spark both curiosity and understanding, inviting listeners into the text in ways that are both fresh and deeply rooted.
Becky studied under some of the leading figures in biblical studies, and her teaching reflects the depth of that legacy. Renee, a doctoral student and former college professor, brings the perspective of a scholar actively engaged in research on biblical narrative and identity, marked by thoughtful engagement with the text. Together they weave academic depth with curiosity, respect for diverse voices, and a desire to let Scripture speak for itself.