The Drift is Real - Pastor Judah Smith & Dr. Dharius Daniels | Masterclass Episode 4

In this episode of Voices from the Masterclass, Pastor Adam Durso sits down with Dr. Dharius Daniels and Pastor Judah Smith to explore what makes this gathering so spiritually weighty, and why leaders today must rethink how they approach the calling to ministry.

Perhaps the most important part of the conversation is their honest exploration of how easily leaders drift from intimacy with Jesus into professional performance. Pastor Judah reflects on the danger of performative humility and the invitation to stop producing long enough to truly receive from God. Pastor Dharius shares a framework for recovery, emphasizing the difference between replenishment and returning: not just filling your tank, but actively retracing your steps back to spiritual alignment.

The conversation lands on the necessity of pre-emptive margin. In a culture that rewards hustle, the pastors challenge their fellow leaders to reclaim rest, even when it looks “unspiritual,’ and offer listeners a powerful reminder: your value to God is never based on your output, but on the truth that He is your Father, not your coach.

(00:02) Next-gen voice, change, humility and rest
(07:40) Presence with God and staying grounded while busy
(14:34) Leadership culture that resists rest
(23:28) Sabbath takes faith
(34:06) God is Father, not coach

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