Duke, UNC, and NC State have established who they are for good and bad

Duke dismantled the Syracuse zone, which says more about the Orange. Hubert Davis did a pivot when talking about North Carolina after a loss at Wake Forest. NC State is pretty good when the ball goes through the basket. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

WRAL Sports' Lauren Brownlow and 99.9FM The Fan's Joe Ovies have a combined 50 years of following ACC football and basketball from the center of it all on Tobacco Road. Listen for more an irreverent slant on conference action, but stick around for the times they stumble into actual analysis of games.